The refusal of a Louisiana justice of the peace to marry a white woman and a black man has caused dismay and calls by government as well as civil rights groups for the removal from office of the public official, Keith Bardwell.
The United States overturned in 1967 a law which prohibited in a number of states such as California marriages between black and white people.
In an article in the Louisina-based Hammondstar.com, Bardwell defended his decision. “I don’t do interracial marriages because I don’t want to put children in a situation they didn’t bring on themselves,” he said. “In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer.”
The odd reasoning by the Louisiana justice of the peace clearly shows that racism in the United States is alive and kicking. Even though there are no such laws in the European Union that forbid multicultural marriages, there are some stark reminders of it in our recent history in Europe.
Hilarious, lamentable though…
I wonder what he would say about same-sex marriages.
Could you please tell me about study what tells that culture is inherited in birth.
–Could you please tell me about study what tells that culture is inherited in birth.
Culture is learned not inherited. Thus a good definition: “Culture is everything learned.”
Then why you talk about multicultural marriage in this case?
–Then why you talk about multicultural marriage in this case?
I do not understand that point you are trying to make.
I do wonder then if the justice of the peace then would find in his heart the children suffering less if their parents wouldn’t be married ??? I doubt they put you in jail for having children out of wedlock in Louisiana.
Tangipahoa Parish has another claim to fame: It was the filming location for In the Heat of the Night, the TV show about race and the law.
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/not-in-tangipahoa-parish/
Hi Mike Licht, welcome to Migrant Tales and the information. Your link has a lot more information on the scandal in Louisiana.
“I do not understand that point you are trying to make.”
There is no question about “multiculture” in the marriage. The justice of peace said
“Keith Bardwell, of Tangipahoa Parish in Louisiana, denied racism but said mixed-race children were not readily accepted by their parents’ communities.”
So if genetics have a say in your looks while culture is learned; where is the “multicultural” in the marriage? The justice of peace would marry a white hippie to a white conservative and a black hippie to a black conservative – those would be “multicultural” marriages – which he doesn’t object over. Culture has nothing to do with skin color.
–So if genetics have a say in your looks while culture is learned; where is the “multicultural” in the marriage?
If you would have read some of my comments, you would have understood that the word “multicultural” is used incorrectly. It can either mean “many cultures” or the Canadian, Australian, UK social policy. By multicultural marriages I mean the former. So maybe the word “multiethnical” would be more appropriate to avoid confusion.
I remember that Tv-Show “Heat of the Night” – it had Carroll O’Connor as the sheriff? So it was placed there? Interesting.
Well atleast they dont kill people who dare to think to marry “wrong” people like people do in europe.
Enrique what you think about killing people? you think all cultures are same so thats just cultural stuff and acceptable?
And you also have excuse that in war zones people kill eachother so in europe its allowed to kill eachother.
When i can shot your family because youre white?
–Enrique what you think about killing people? you think all cultures are same so thats just cultural stuff and acceptable?
This is a pretty dumb question and in bad taste.
“This is a pretty dumb question and in bad taste.”
No its not, people kill their siblings because they dare to love other than allowed.
–No its not, people kill their siblings because they dare to love other than allowed.
So that is your idea of greater contact with other cultures and how they will accept each other. The love that exists between a child and parent is universal and everlasting. There are exceptions of course but these out more pathological examples. What would you do Hannu if the Aztecs lived? They, like a lot of Mesoamerican cultures, sacrificed people by sometimes taking their hearts our alive. Would a guy like Halla-aho write a column about them stating that they were all a bunch of crazy sadistic murderers? Even though this type of behavior is not accepted in our society and culture, it was in another. Whatever the case, some would use these cultural differences to murder and pillage other groups in the name of “god abd country.” When you hate and suspect another group you are doing the same thing: giving yourself a reason to hate and exclude.
So you accept that its nice cultural habit to kill people because they love wrong people but cant accept that someone isnt willing to marry two different races?
–So you accept that its nice cultural habit to kill people because they love wrong people but cant accept that someone isnt willing to marry two different races?
Hannu, I am sorry but I do not understand your point.
Oh, theere was just a tidbit on YLE about “honor killings” in Europe. Loving fathers chucking their daughters off balconies when they wanted to be culturally inclusive.
“…racism in the United States is alive and kicking.”
Yep, you are very right about that…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1221467/White-beauty-queen-Nikole-Churchill-complains-Obama-racism-university-pageant-row.html
“Hampton University is one of around 80 ‘black’ universities in the U.S., initially founded to promote diversity and education among minorities. She was the first white woman to win the title at the university. But the backlash began almost immediately, with some of the audience walking out of the auditorium as the announcement was made. In a traditional winners’ photograph, two of the black runners-up are seen scowling into the camera. The next day Ms Churchill was heckled at a university football game. Previous winner Patrece Parson said she was ‘very shocked’ at the judge’s choice of a white woman, adding: ‘We’ve never had one before’”
–“…racism in the United States is alive and kicking.”
Hi Tony, I don´t know the case well enough to give you an educated opinion on who is right. However, if you have a society that is divided by matters such as ethnicity (in Europe we prefer this word over race) it is only natural that all groups will do the same. Do you think it would be too difficult to classify everything (irrespective of your ethnic background) by color? Why do these antagonisms exist?
Very right indeed…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1220695/Is-political-correctness-blame-lack-coverage-horrific-black-white-killings-Americas-Deep-South-Tennessee-Channon-Christian-Christopher-Newsom-carjack.html
Columnist and right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin weighed in, saying: This case – an attractive white couple murdered by five black thugs – doesn’t fit any political agenda ‘It’s not a useful crime. Reverse the races and just imagine how the national media would cover the story of a young black couple murdered by five white assailants.”
“Country music singer Charlie Daniels pointed out the media frenzy that came after a black woman accused three white members of the Duke University lacrosse team of raping her. The players were later cleared after their accuser changed her story. But Daniels said on his website: If this had been white on black crime, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and their ilk would have descended on Knoxville like a swarm of angry bees.”
“University of Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds said the American media has a template for covering white-on-black crime but not the reverse. I think it would have gotten a lot of national play faster if it had been a black couple kidnapped and killed by five white people.”
“Do you think it would be too difficult to classify everything (irrespective of your ethnic background) by color?”
I don’t classify people by colour, but by their attitude. If the majority of people coming from a particular culture or religion behaves in the same manner, that’s how I regard the whole group though.
“Why do these antagonisms exist?”
I think this is complex issue and exists for many reasons, but looking just to one direction only increases the hostility.
Today in US the no-going zones for blacks are extinct, however that is not the case for whites. That being said it’s fair to conclude that racism from blacks against whites is stronger and more violent. This doesn’t make news while the opposite is always first page. That includes your blog. I don’t think this attitude is any good to anyone. The reality is the reality, no matter how uncomfortable it may be.
Another place with is becoming more and more divided is UK. Last year Abu Izzadeen told British Home Secretary when visiting Leyton: “How dare you come to a Muslim area?”. Those areas may not exists in the Secretary’s mind, maybe not even in yours, but it does in the mind of many Muslims. Today, however, all the media’s firepower is concentrate at the BNP, leaving Islamic radicals running loose.
BTW this is also Miss Hirsi Ali and Dr. Taj Hargey opinion, you won’t call them racists, will you?
Double stands, political correctness and over protection are the real causes the far-right is growing fast in Europe. People is getting feed up with all of this, and I don’t blame them.
Sorry another little typo. I meant Double standards.
Here another example of what I’m saying…
Racism is not a white only issue, although multicultural supporters insist in see like that.
If a white complain about racism he/she is automatically called racist. This is lose-lose situation for us.
The school’s policy shows perfectly the currently mood multiculturalism is imposing upon us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221759/Hammer-attack-victim-seeks-1m-damages-politically-correct-school-closed-eyes-racial-tensions-Henry-Webster-Asian-Invasion-Swindon-Ridgeway-Foundation.html
–Racism is not a white only issue, although multicultural supporters insist in see like that.
Let´s take an example that is closer to home. How can you compare racism towards the blacks in Brazil with that of blacks towards whites? Racism is, in my opinion, a tool used by some dominant group to control a minority. It is deprivation, unequal opportunity, early death, sickness and exclusion. That is why you cannot compare it as an “equally.”
Moreover, the history of Argentina and Brazil is very racist. These countries had/have large black populations through slavery as well as indigenous ones. The aim of white European immigration was to wipe out these groups, or reduce them in size. Here is something interesting to chew on about early 19th century Argentina: “The extraordinary increase of the castes (blacks, mulattos, zambos) in the course of the eighteenth century alarmed the whites and bred in them a new awareness of race. They became more concerned with law and order, more sensitive of social status, and more repressive towards the colored classes. As the Telégrafo Mercantil remarked in 1801, the castes “debased simply by their status and birth, are denied admission to the primary schools, in order to prevent their associating with children of Spaniards. And in Catamarca a mulatto was whipped for having been discovered to be able to read and write.” (John Lynch: The Spanish-American Revolutions, 1808-1826, p. 38).
Can you compare equally racism and suspicion from both sides?
Ah ofcourse enrique you dont understand. We have subcultures in europe what brought their beliefs with them and do kill their childrens because childrens dare to like host country.
You ask us to understand them but you cant understand priest who do not want marry different races, i call that kaksinaamaisuus.
You dont seem to know its real and occuring thing, in some countries its not only accepted but peer pressure makes sure you really kill your child. And i dont care if thats their culture and i wont understand it or tolerate it.
–Ah ofcourse enrique you dont understand. We have subcultures in europe what brought their beliefs with them and do kill their childrens because childrens dare to like host country.
What children do or think is something that parents in all cultures have a hard time controlling. It is especially hard and complex when a person lives in two cultures. But yes, if you have people that exclude them from both cultures that is a very sad case indeed. It is a little opportunistic on your behalf to think that by first insulting their culture, you think that is the most effective way of winning them over.
The problem is that a Muslim father forbidding his daughter to wed a non-Muslim man is regarded as cultural sensitivity, therefore accepted. The famous “let them be” policy.
In the multicultural approach one group is always wrong at the same time the other is always right, no matter what.
And people still wonder why the far-right is growing in Europe…
–The problem is that a Muslim father forbidding his daughter to wed a non-Muslim man is regarded as cultural sensitivity, therefore accepted. The famous “let them be” policy.
And, amigo Tony, we can say the same thing about the “white” father who forbids her daughter/or ostracizes her for marrying a person from a very different ethnic/cultural background. This type of behavior happens in all cultures. I am personally against it.
“This type of behavior happens in all cultures.”
Absolutely, but it’s downplayed when it come from Muslims.
The problem, I said here thousand times, is not the crimes itself but how multicultural supporters see it when coming from minorities. There is always the usual “ we can’t force our culture upon them” or “we can’t deprive them from their culture inheritance”.
The problem is not the crimes but the double standards, and that, my friend, is what fuels the far-right.
And what a coincidence, this just made the news…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6883855.ece
Enrique, just look at how defensively you answered Hannu’s comments.
“It is a little opportunistic on your behalf to think that by first insulting their culture, you think that is the most effective way of winning them over.”
Even though you tell me that you are personally against it, you just can’t agree that he has a point but also you find a way to put some blame on him.
Unbelievable…
–Enrique, just look at how defensively you answered Hannu’s comments.
Defensive? I don´t like parties or persons that pick on people who are weaker than them in order to votes. I think that is nothing more than political opportunism.
Or what do you call is 10th campaign promise?
10. Minua äänestämällä voit saada ainakin yhden maahanmuuttajan takaisin sinne, mistä on tullutkin.
“Racism is, in my opinion, a tool used by some dominant group to control a minority.”
You are completely wrong. Racism is an ideology. Or a felling that I’m better due my race. Exists in all races and it’s the very same.
The tool used to dominate is money and political power. In brazil how many white men lives under the line of poverty together with blacks? lots… So how can you classify those whites? Are they also victims of white racism?
How about Africa? How about the inequality in there? How about a black elite class dominating lower classes? Are those backs suffering racism from blacks?
“That is why you cannot compare it as an “equally.””
Yes I can, a white thinking that a black is dirt is equal as a black thinking that a white is dirt.
–Yes I can, a white thinking that a black is dirt is equal as a black thinking that a white is dirt.
Certainly it is wrong both ways. However, and as I have said before, racism by a dominant groups have a greater impact because they also control the economic and political power. They are the ones that wield power. That is why you cannot keep them on equal terms. If you are a subject of exploitation, exclusion and abuse, getting out of that ordeal does not usually mean becoming “white” but creating a social movement that can change the balance of power. This has, as you know, happened a lot of times in history.
Sorry but another example just came in my mind…
How about Saudi Arabia? How much wealth does that country have? Is it equally distributed? Not? So, are the Arab lower class suffering racism from the Arab higher class?
–How about Saudi Arabia? How much wealth does that country have? Is it equally distributed? Not? So, are the Arab lower class suffering racism from the Arab higher class?
Absolutely!
I am free to insult anyone, they can defend themself with facts. That is if they can.
Lets take Tony as target. I know you arent from spain but you are relatively near so now i insult you! (this was first thing to come in my mind)
Bullfighting is insane and cruel and shouldnt be allowed!
Now lets take this on parts.
Bullfight is wrong according to my values.
Bullfight shouldnt be allowed according to my values.
Bullfigting isnt done in finland because most of people share my values.
No one is allowed to have bullfighting even if their values differ.
I understand that in some countries bullfights are tradition and i have no say if they continue it or not.
I can condem it but i cant stop it, i can stop it in finland tho and i will do it.
I refuse to understand it and even if Tony feels insulted i will take path i have choosen.
Im from area where first woman bank manager came (1905) and womans were always strong. It was and is fact that woman could make her own decisions and no one else had anything to say on it.
Everyone were and are free to decide their own destiny, there wasnt and isnt any community to tell otherwise.
Try to import culture what tells womans what to do and you are asking troubles, serious troubles.
Should i agree if someone oppress woman just to avoid offending someone?
I will insult if its needed.
Enrique I think all examples you gave make completely sense, however, IMHO, you are confusing racism with greed.
The examples from Africa, Saudi Arabia and other ME countries, places with great social inequality but one race only, proves that.
Furthermore, if the inequality in multiracial places like Brazil and even US was driven by racism we would see poor whites, would we?
Just to complete…
I don’t thrust the white politicians from my country to watch my back…
Tony, that reminds me of Gregory Clark, a Scottish economist whose theory claims that economic development and well-being depend on genetic factors. According to him, it’s not because of racism that afro descendants, for instance, don’t do well even in wealthy societies, but it’s because they fail to adapt to capitalism due to their genes.
Silly? True? Outrageous?
Intriguing…
Mateus,
I don’t know this chap but his theory is rubbish. For me it’s the same than Enrique’s “inequality result of racism” theory. The history doesn’t back it up.
Have a look at Europe. Since the dawn of time a tine aristocracy (whites) hold all the power and wealth from the peasants (also whites). The same goes for Asia and Africa. Same races but huge inequality, how can those theories explain that?
Amigo Enrique tell us, is there in the US poor white people? Yes? How many? 1? 2? 10? Few? Many? Lots?
Mateus, you look like a white guy, if so, would you trust Maluf of Sarney to watch your back? When Sarney overprice a road he’s stealing your tax because he’s greed, but he’s stealing your neighbour (who is black) tax because he’s racist? Common… My 7 years old son can debunk this.
If it was all about race or genetics I wouldn’t see native Celtic Irish living on the streets of Dublin at the same time that houses worth of 5 millions are being sold, would I?
So much for those theories…
You know, this is so American… you polarise the discussion so you don’t have to deal when your opponent has a point.
In the 60’s it was commie. Anyone who dares to criticize the status quo were automatically a communist. 3 years ago it was a terrorist, today, with a black president, is a racist.
Europe has been using this approach to suppress any discussion about immigration. Once many critics have valid points and can’t just be dismissed, the media go straight to the messenger, attaching him personally. The words racist, xenophobic, islamophibic are direct connect to anyone who dares to say a word against immigration. This is a very effective weapon though. Forget the opinions/news/reports and attach the person.
We had an example here in this very same blog yesterday…
Hannu gave a fact: Islam is bringing honour killing to Europe.
Very well, what Enrique did? Did he challenge this fact? Nop he attached what someone or some party has said.
How about focus on what Hannu said instead? Is that true or false? Do you agree, yes or no? Why? That’s where the discussion should have gone.
The problem is that Islam is bringing honour killing, so challenge this is rather difficult.
–Hannu gave a fact: Islam is bringing honour killing to Europe. Very well, what Enrique did? Did he challenge this fact? Nop he attached what someone or some party has said.
Tony, why is it that everytime you and Hannu speak of immigration it is something negative. It turns into Bin Laden, monsters and demons that run amock in Europe. Is that really the total picture or is that the way you blackwash millions of people who come to Europe in search for a better life and bust their behinds to make an honest living? Is it fair? I don´t think so but a very negative view full of suspicion.
You know I’ve got a very good example here.
Today Kevin Myers, an Irish journalist, and “racist” of course, wrote a very nice article for the Independent. I know that tomorrow’s Times will bring, in the letters session, some “all rubbish, he’s a racist”. But really? How about if we analyse what he wrote for a change?
I carefully removed all his opinions and listed 12 facts, at least he says so. Each one of us, should look at each point and respond TRUE or FALSE. After that, we count how many TRUE and how many FALSE we have, with this we can honestly challenge or support what he’s saying.
1. “Whereas it would have been possible for Caucasians to have visited almost anywhere in the globe in relative safety 25 years ago, there are at least a dozen countries where kidnap and or death would be the immediate reward for the white outsider… includes large parts, or all, of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Saudi, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Algeria, Gaza and Morocco.”
2. “Western Europe…has made a point of accepting huge numbers of immigrants from these countries.”
3. “Wherever they were not accepted as “immigrants”, they promptly turned themselves into “asylum seekers””
4. “Saudi and Somali “asylum-seekers” have been a primary source of terrorist activity in Britain.”
5. “In Holland, Moroccans ditto.”
6. “No Asian, African or Arab city feels the necessity to complete its cosmopolitan image by importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners.”
7. “But in Europe, it is now obligatory for any self-respecting modern city to have a large proportion of its population from other continents. This is called “diversity”,
8. “A couple of years ago, local government funding was withdrawn from hill-walking programmes in the Lake District because the uptake had been confined to white people.”
9. “Many Irish people now effectively support the Hamas government in Gaza”
10. “Hamas recently made it a criminal offence for women in Gaza to ride bicycles.”
11. “Muslim immigrants in Europe — to which they have supposedly fled to enjoy European values — will be agitating for the legal enforcement of non-European standards within their own newfound communities”
12. “These communities will, meanwhile, have birth rates at least twice those of the indigenous populations”
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/in-sudans-collapsing-moral-order—-the-only-way-for-westerners-to-survive-is-to-go-armed-1920860.html
Tony, I will answer them with a comment:
1. “Whereas it would have been possible for Caucasians to have visited almost anywhere in the globe in relative safety 25 years ago, there are at least a dozen countries where kidnap and or death would be the immediate reward for the white outsider… includes large parts, or all, of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Saudi, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Algeria, Gaza and Morocco.”
True but also the case in a number of Latin American countries such as Colombia.
2. “Western Europe…has made a point of accepting huge numbers of immigrants from these countries.”
What is “huge?” Turks were rought to Germany in the 1970s(?) as cheap labor.
3. “Wherever they were not accepted as “immigrants”, they promptly turned themselves into “asylum seekers””
How can he claim this? Is this proven?
4. “Saudi and Somali “asylum-seekers” have been a primary source of terrorist activity in Britain.”
?? So what is he inferring that we place under suspicion all Saudis and Somalis? Wrong.
5. “In Holland, Moroccans ditto.”
?? Should Moroccans placed under police scrutiny? Wrong.
6. “No Asian, African or Arab city feels the necessity to complete its cosmopolitan image by importing hundreds of thousands of foreigners.”
Because there are more opportunities in Europe.
7. “But in Europe, it is now obligatory for any self-respecting modern city to have a large proportion of its population from other continents. This is called “diversity”,
It is something natural due to labor shortages and globalization.
8. “A couple of years ago, local government funding was withdrawn from hill-walking programmes in the Lake District because the uptake had been confined to white people.”
??
9. “Many Irish people now effectively support the Hamas government in Gaza”
??
10. “Hamas recently made it a criminal offence for women in Gaza to ride bicycles.”
Too bad for this women. Even though I would like to discuss women´s rights in these societies, I question the person´s motive for bringing it up.
11. “Muslim immigrants in Europe — to which they have supposedly fled to enjoy European values — will be agitating for the legal enforcement of non-European standards within their own newfound communities”
Why? Because they want to or because society pushes them into a corner.
12. “These communities will, meanwhile, have birth rates at least twice those of the indigenous populations”
That is their business. I have three children so at least my wife and contributed to Finland´s population.
“Tony, why is it that everytime you and Hannu speak of immigration it is something negative.”
Because its negative when it happens like it currently happens.
-“Certainly it is wrong both ways. However, and as I have said before, racism by a dominant groups have a greater impact because they also control the economic and political power. They are the ones that wield power. That is why you cannot keep them on equal terms. If you are a subject of exploitation, exclusion and abuse, getting out of that ordeal does not usually mean becoming “white” but creating a social movement that can change the balance of power. This has, as you know, happened a lot of times in history.”
No, Enrique, if something is wrong it is wrong ALWAYS. There can be no little excuses made for minorities to be racist if same actions are not accepted for majority.
Or do you think that someone may beat up other person as long as attacker is smaller? Then why Finnish law does not make difference between assault by smaller person and assault by larger person and declare former to be acceptable?
Such situation can be called tyranny of minority, where minorities have rights and privileges which are absent from majority. Do I have to remind you what such tyranny of minority has always meant in human history?
SLAUGHTER. Sooner or later, majority will be fed up with minority. And since they have the numbers…
French revolution, Rwanda massacre, Russian revolution… List goes on. If minority starts getting preferential treatment it is first step in road to annihilation of that minority.
-“So what is he inferring that we place under suspicion all Saudis and Somalis? Wrong. ”
If certain group overrepresents itself in crimes or problems, it is valid to say that the GROUP AS WHOLE is the problem.
So Right. We do not have resources to start watching every immigrant 24/7, and we do not want problems to get to point where we are forced to solve problems they cause after they have become pressing. I want Finland to be active not reactive, that means that when trends like this are seen, action is taken to deal with group as whole instead of waiting for them to cause more trouble and then try to find those who at that time were guilty.
Like action was taken with school shootings and gun license permitting became much tighter. That action was against ALL gun owners, who are as a group far more law abiding than many immigrant groups who cause problems (percentage of handgun owners going nuts and heading to school with them is far smaller than percentage of for example Muslim immigrants responsible for rapes).
And yet I do not see you Enrique speak against this. Double standards.
I accept gun laws being tightened, but I also expect that political correctness is thrown out and measures are taken to force problems caused by unintegrating immigrants to level where they are no longer statistically abnormal.
If this means immediate deportation of them and their family to whatever country they came from, regardless of conditions in that country… Then so be it.
Clearly current system cannot go on, and we Finns by and large are not willing to hand over our country to foreigners to do as they please.
“I don´t think so but a very negative view full of suspicion.”
Isn’t that view you have from Finnish people, companies and institutions?
“Tony, why is it that everytime you and Hannu speak of immigration it is something negative”
Because the currently immigration policy of “everyone in, no matter what”, is turning something that could be an asset into a burden.
“you blackwash millions of people who come to Europe in search for a better life and bust their behinds to make an honest living?”
Nop, and you know that. My family and I are part of those millions, btw. I only talk about 2 kind of immigrants, welfare buns and those who refuse to adapt, demanding their culture, no matter how barbaric it may be, is accepted.
-Isn’t that view you have from Finnish people, companies and institutions?
Tony, whenever I speak of Finns or any other group I use the word some in front of my claim. Since I live in Finland, I write about the experiences of some immigrants in Finland. If I would live in Spain, I would write about that country.
If you thin that Finland´s current immigration policy is “to let everyone in” I think you are mistaken. Why not ask a hard question: “Why are there still so few foreigners in Finland?”
-I only talk about 2 kind of immigrants, welfare buns and those who refuse to adapt, demanding their culture, no matter how barbaric it may be, is accepted.
Then, if the matter is so simple and clear cut, you should offer this type of advice to the immigration authorities of each Western, democractic country in the world. This comment, I am sorry to say, is the wall that keeps one part of society from understanding the other. The same reasoning can be found among minority groups: “Finns are barbaric, they are cold, stupid etc.” If you are an educated person, how is it possible that you can look at technology an open-mindedly but other cultures so simplistically? Or is this the way a person thinks when he feels threatened?
“What is “huge?””
This…
“A Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly report on immigration from sub-Saharan Africa gives the number of sub-Saharan African migrants in Europe as between 3.5 and 8 million”
“According to the Zentral-Institut Islam-Archiv-Deutschland, published in the German Soest, there are 53.7 million Muslims in Europe today (2007)”
“How can he claim this? Is this proven?”
Well I was thinking in using the same method you used to prove that Finnish companies are breaking the law employing less qualified Finns instead more qualified Somalis, but… whatever… I gave a try and it took me literary few minutes.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/08/sharp_increase_in_illegal_immigrants_909972.html
“officials are aware of at least 3,800 people who have illegally taken up residence in the country during the first six months of the year… Of the number of illegal immigrants identified by police so far this year, 3,200 have now filed applications for asylum”
”we place under suspicion all Saudis and Somalis?… Should Moroccans placed under police scrutiny?”
That’s called crime/terrorism fight. The police goes after who is probably to commit the crime. This is more effective than go after the crime to clean the mess.
“Because there are more opportunities in Europe”
I understand there is lots of foreigners working in Saudi Arabia, however I have a impression that the Saudi government doesn’t support them expressing their cultural diversity. Does it?
“something natural due to labor shortages”
Well, once Somalis unemployment is sky high in both Finland and UK (and God knows where else), I think they are more a burden than an asset. Aren’t they?
“Why? Because they want to or because society pushes them into a corner.”
So, now, we are pushing Muslims to demand Sharia? Oh boy…
In my opinion Kevin is spot on. His article, as usual, is pretty much based on facts. So I would say to anyone who came to the same conclusion than I, to go and read his article and see how he put all this facts together and his opinion about it. To those who still think those 12 points are all lies, never mind…
Tony, thank you for the YLE link on the rise of illegal immigrants in Finland. Again, we are speaking of small amounts of people compared with other European countries such as Spain. But think about the exploitation these people are under. If they have no rights and are undocumented, they can live here because some business is using them. Moreover, the more obstacles you place on people coming to a country the more ingenious ways they are going to find to get around them. If I were poor and had no future in a country, why wouldn´t I think of moving elsewhere?
“Why? Because they want to or because society pushes them into a corner”
I’ll let Brigitte Gabriel answers this. This was broadcasted yesterday, maybe she predicted you would say that…
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/feeds.radioamerica.org/rd-bin/rdfeed.mp3?DWP&cast_id=13907
Finland this is only a 9mins interview that I urge you to listen.
PS: before anyone goes to the usual “she’s a racist” personal attach, please check who she is…
–I’ll let Brigitte Gabriel answers this. This was broadcasted yesterday, maybe she predicted you would say that…
Even though we should always be ready to use the full weight of the law against all those that may cause crimes against society, this is a good example of alarmism gone astray. Check what the commentator and Gabriel says. Both claim that “terrorism” is on the rise because 46 home-grown jihadists were caught this year and 27 plots thwarted since 9/11. Look at the two-digit figures. Incredible, no? Think, what these people are asking is that we give into their alarmism and throw away our democratic principles so they can sell a few more books to a very gullible public. Fortunately, things are somewhat different in Europe.
Tony, I don´t even like the word “terrorism” because it is only a name that fits all sizes of bad guys. I lived in Argentine for a brief spell in the 1970s and know very well what terrorism is. It is also a blanket label placed by the state against a wide group of people. It includes even people that don´t even support this type of activity. Terrorism can also be practiced by the state. The etymology of the word terrorism comes from terror. It means spreading fear. Isn´t that one of the main tasks of conventional and non-conventional war?
Enrique if you are so open minded i wait when you tell how KKK is nice and beating vifes is just nice cultural thing. Of course you can kill jude since its your culture and beating that white kid is ok because 1500 yearld book says so! Happyhappyjoyjoy…
Wake up.